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Post by _Seth » Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:51 pm

Steve wrote:The book claims to be a prophecy from Jesus. If it is not that, then it is a false prophecy, blasphemously claiming to be from Jesus. This is a possibility to be considered, but the early church rejected that idea.
Agreed. And I don't really take my suggestion all that seriously. It was just a "standing in the shower, thinking" moment.

I've read some of the early church writings, but none that pertain to the process of Revelation being included in the Canon. Anybody have any references to this ever coming up?

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Post by _anothersteve » Tue Dec 11, 2007 4:59 pm

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Actually, I've had the exact same consideration myself. I was actually thinking about that possibility again today as a matter of fact. Great minds think alike!
Seth wrote
I don't really take my suggestion all that seriously. It was just a "standing in the shower, thinking" moment.
Mine was a "driving in the the van, thinking" moment. :)
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Post by _TK » Tue Dec 11, 2007 6:13 pm

i'm not sure how safe driving and thinking at the same time is. i have a 40 minute commute, and sometimes i get from point a to b and have no idea what happened in between (usually when i'm thinking).

TK
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Post by _Paidion » Tue Dec 11, 2007 10:11 pm

Seth wrote:I've read some of the early church writings, but none that pertain to the process of Revelation being included in the Canon. Anybody have any references to this ever coming up?
Revelation wasn't universally accepted as "part of the Canon" by the main church until after 380 A.D.

It is difficult to say when the church actually defined the canon as we have it today in Protestant Bibles. Even the influential Athanasius (367 A.D.) who came close to doing so, calling his list "wells of salvation" and applying the plagues of adding to the book of Revelation to his list. However, even Athanasius included Baruch in his list and excluded Esther.

The following listed Revelation among the disputed books:

Eusebius of Caesaria 324 A.D.
Amphilocius of Iconium 380 A.D

And these omitted it from their lists, implying its rejection:

Cyril of Jerusalem 348 A.D.
Gregory of Naziantus 380 A.D.
Apostolic Canons 380 A.D.
Pershitta Version 400 A.D.
Report of Junilius 550 A.D.

The last three, however, come from the Syriac church which did not regard some of the disputed books as part of the canon until the ninth century.

If you would like to search further about such matters, here is the best site I have ever encounted:

http://www.bible-researcher.com/index.html
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Post by _anothersteve » Wed Dec 12, 2007 9:10 am

i'm not sure how safe driving and thinking at the same time is. i have a 40 minute commute, and sometimes i get from point a to b and have no idea what happened in between (usually when i'm thinking).
Hey TK, as I'm sure you've found out, getting lost in thought can be a dangerous thing. Allow me to illustrate.

Wife calls out to husband, "Ok, were leaving in 30 minutes"

The husband, now caught off guard, replies in a puzzled manner "Where are we going?"

Wife, "To the relatives, I told you yesterday"

Husband, "You never told me, you must have thought you did"

Wife, "No, I remember telling you, it was when you were sitting at the computer"

Husband thinking to himself, "Oh oh, that must have been when I was contemplating Steve Gregg's "Four Views on Revelation". No wonder I missed what she said!" :)
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Post by _Seth » Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:31 pm

anothersteve wrote:Husband thinking to himself, "Oh oh, that must have been when I was contemplating Steve Gregg's "Four Views on Revelation". No wonder I missed what she said!" :)
LOL...that's happened *so* many times in my life.
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Post by _Suzana » Wed Dec 12, 2007 4:28 pm

I think you guys owe your wives a box of chocolates!
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