Daniels' Seventy Sevens

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Here is an exhaustive study that uses plenty of scriptural references for you to take a look at. This way, if you disagree with any of it, you can take it up with the author.

"Before investigating the prophetic symbols that describe the characteristics of Antichrist, we need to understand that the Word of God tell us how to define symbols in prophecy. 2 Peter 1:20 says that, "...no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation." According to the Word, Christians are told not to give our own opinion of what a prophetic symbol means. We must allow the Word of God to define it's own symbols. Our private interpretations are useless. Truth is, there are 404 verses in the book of Revelation. Were you aware that out of those 404 verses, 278 of them carry the bulk of the prophetic message of that book? Did you know that all 278 of those verses can be found almost word for word in all the other books of the Bible? In other words, THE BIBLE DEFINES ITSELF PERFECTLY! Don't let anyone give you their "opinion" or "interpretation." Let the Word define the Word! That's an easy way to expose false teachers. Just hear what they say, and then open a Bible and see if what they say matches up with what the Lord says regarding a certain symbol.

So... what does the Word of God have to say about all those symbols that define certain desires, characteristics, and plans of Antichrist? And does History confirm the prophecy authentic?"

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Many dispensationalists do??? I don't believe so. They are more inclined to the Papal way of seeing things. May I ask you to supply a quote by one these dispensationalists to support your assertion? Thank you.

John Hagee is a dispensationalists that believes the "antichrist" will reign in Jerusalem. So is Tim LaHaye. Noticed also that I said "many" and not "all?"

John Hagee said:

He (the Antichrist) will be "a blasphemer and a homosexual," the pastor announced. Then, Hagee boomed, "There's a phrase in Scripture used solely to identify the Jewish people. It suggests that this man [the Antichrist] is at least going to be partially Jewish, as was Adolph Hitler, as was Karl Marx."

Dr. Henry M. Morris said:

He will make a seven-year treaty with Israel…re-establishing their temple worship at Jerusalem, but will break that treaty after three and one-half years, and will install his own…image in the temple, proclaiming himself to be the god whom all men must worship (The Defender’s Study Bible, ibid., note on II Thessalonians 2:4).

Dr. Tommy Ice said:

" In the middle of the tribulation, the Antichrist defiles a rebuilt Jewish Temple in the city of Jerusalem by setting up his own image in the Holy Place. The Second Coming of Christ is preceded by the Campaign of Armageddon, which revolves around all the armies of the world coming up against Jerusalem."

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Many dispensationalists do??? I don't believe so. They are more inclined to the Papal way of seeing things. May I ask you to supply a quote by one these dispensationalists to support your assertion? Thank you.

John Hagee is a dispensationalists that believes the "antichrist" will reign in Jerusalem. So is Tim LaHaye. Noticed also that I said "many" and not "all?"

John Hagee said:

He (the Antichrist) will be "a blasphemer and a homosexual," the pastor announced. Then, Hagee boomed, "There's a phrase in Scripture used solely to identify the Jewish people. It suggests that this man [the Antichrist] is at least going to be partially Jewish, as was Adolph Hitler, as was Karl Marx."

Dr. Henry M. Morris said:

He will make a seven-year treaty with Israel…re-establishing their temple worship at Jerusalem, but will break that treaty after three and one-half years, and will install his own…image in the temple, proclaiming himself to be the god whom all men must worship (The Defender’s Study Bible, ibid., note on II Thessalonians 2:4).

Dr. Tommy Ice said:

" In the middle of the tribulation, the Antichrist defiles a rebuilt Jewish Temple in the city of Jerusalem by setting up his own image in the Holy Place. The Second Coming of Christ is preceded by the Campaign of Armageddon, which revolves around all the armies of the world coming up against Jerusalem."

That's odd... I asked for quotes from dispensationalists who believe that Judaism was the apostate harlot and not the church and you give me quotes about the antichrist... Why???

This was the original conversation:

And I think it much more appropriate to associate the harlot, the Babylon, with apostate Judaism than with the church, the body of Christ.

Some might. Many dispensationalist do. But let's take a look at the mother of all harlots (false worship entities) and decide what the scripture actually points us to and who has stood up and claim this mantle for themselves!

Many dispensationalists do??? I don't believe so. They are more inclined to the Papal way of seeing things. May I ask you to supply a quote by one these dispensationalists to support your assertion? Thank you.

You obviously misunderstood my request. If you still do believe that many dispensationalists believe that the harlot is apostate Judaism, then I still await one quote from them...

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That's odd... I asked for quotes from dispensationalists who believe that Judaism was the apostate harlot and not the church and you give me quotes about the antichrist... Why???

Because these dispensationalist believe the "Antichrist" is Jewish. BTW what exactly is "apostate Judaism" and how does it differ from "apostate Christianity?"

Hagee and many dispensationalist do not point the finger at Rome. They point the finger at Israel and Jerusalem.

You obviously misunderstood my request. If you still do believe that many dispensationalists believe that the harlot is apostate Judaism, then I still await one quote from them...

Yes, I believe that many dispensationalists believe that the "Antichrist" is Jewish, reigns from Jerusalem, and signs a "covenant" the Israel for 7 years which he breaks in 3 1/2 years.

BTW, Mellontes, how come you never answer my questions?

"Here's a question I'll ask you from Daniel 7:25, I have asked this before and I don't know that I have received an answer. Here goes. What "times and laws" has Jerusalem changed?"

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Because these dispensationalist believe the "Antichrist" is Jewish. BTW what exactly is "apostate Judaism" and how does it differ from "apostate Christianity?"

It's a little late to be clarifying things now isn't it?
Apostate Judaism (to me) is the system under the leadership of the Pharisees and Saducees combined with bunches of traditions. It was this system that wholly supported the crucifixion and persuaded the Romans to fulfil their (apostate Judaism) lusts in this concern. It was people from this system (let's just call them unbelieving Jews) who killed the OT prophets, killed the Lord Jesus, persecuted His apostles, and persecuted the church, as in the body of Christ, as in the saved. I am fully convinced (no play on words) that Matthew 24:3, in regards to the the Lord's "Parousia" coming, is in direct relationship with the judgment upon apostate Judaism and included (as a necessity) the destruction of the temple ending the old covenant system once for all, eliminating all the shadows and bore witness upon the One who did fulfill al those shadows. This was the "end of the world (age)" that the disciples founded their question to Jesus. It is amazing to think that the disciples were thinking of planetary destruction (as some theologies believe) when the subject had never even been approached. There will never be a return to the shadow "state" of the old covenant system of priests and temple sacrifices. To do so would be an affront to the God and Christ who foreordained all these things from the foundations of the world.

Hagee and many dispensationalist do not point the finger at Rome. They point the finger at Israel and Jerusalem.

John Hagee is a Zionist through and through. He supports Israel at every turn. He supports the rebuilding of the temple. He physically finances these endeavours through his organization "Christians United for Israel." They may point the finger at Israel and Jerusalem, but is only with gratitude and praise. If you say something bad about Israel, you will have John Hagee at your door asking why you said it (not literal).

You obviously misunderstood my request. If you still do believe that many dispensationalists believe that the harlot is apostate Judaism, then I still await one quote from them...

Yes, I believe that many dispensationalists believe that the "Antichrist" is Jewish, reigns from Jerusalem, and signs a "covenant" the Israel for 7 years which he breaks in 3 1/2 years.

Hopefully my above description of apostate Judaism shows the difference in what I meant and what you seem to think I meant...

BTW, Mellontes, how come you never answer my questions?

How'd I do?

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It's a little late to be clarifying things now isn't it?

Not in my mind. Clarity is always desired over murkiness!

Apostate Judaism (to me) is the system under the leadership of the Pharisees and Saducees combined with bunches of traditions. It was this system that wholly supported the crucifixion and persuaded the Romans to fulfil their (apostate Judaism) lusts in this concern. It was people from this system (let's just call them unbelieving Jews) who killed the OT prophets, killed the Lord Jesus, persecuted His apostles, and persecuted the church, as in the body of Christ, as in the saved. I am fully convinced (no play on words) that Matthew 24:3, in regards to the the Lord's "Parousia" coming, is in direct relationship with the judgment upon apostate Judaism and included (as a necessity) the destruction of the temple ending the old covenant system once for all, eliminating all the shadows and bore witness upon the One who did fulfill al those shadows. This was the "end of the world (age)" that the disciples founded their question to Jesus. It is amazing to think that the disciples were thinking of planetary destruction (as some theologies believe) when the subject had never even been approached. There will never be a return to the shadow "state" of the old covenant system of priests and temple sacrifices. To do so would be an affront to the God and Christ who foreordained all these things from the foundations of the world.

So when "Chrisianity" does the same things as apostate Judaism did we are left with a "woman that rides the beast" i.e. apostate Christianity.

John Hagee is a Zionist through and through. He supports Israel at every turn.

Just like those that brought the Balfour Document into existence.

He supports the rebuilding of the temple.

Which has already been done by Christ.

He physically finances these endeavours through his organization "Christians United for Israel." They may point the finger at Israel and Jerusalem, but is only with gratitude and praise. If you say something bad about Israel, you will have John Hagee at your door asking why you said it (not literal).

And yet, again, he never points the finger at Rome.

Hagee said in an apology letter to Rome:

“I better understand that reference to the Roman Catholic Church as the “apostate church” and the “great whore” described in the Book of Revelation is a rhetorical device long employed in anti-Catholic literature and commentary.

I hope you recognize that I have repeatedly stated that my interpretation of Revelation leads me to conclude that the “apostate church” and the “great whore” appear only during the seven years of tribulation after all the true believers - Catholic and Protestant - have been taken up to heaven. Therefore, neither of these phrases can be synonymous with the Catholic Church.”

Hopefully my above description of apostate Judaism shows the difference in what I meant and what you seem to think I meant...

Somewhat. But the fact of the matter is that there are many dispensationalists that believe Jerusalem is the the city of seven hills and clearly it is not. It's Rome.

How'd I do?

In terms of not answering my question? Great, since you didn't answer it!

"Here's a question I'll ask you from Daniel 7:25, I have asked this before and I don't know that I have received an answer. Here goes. What "times and laws" has Jerusalem changed?"

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Dispensationalism and the Anti-Christ

Dispensationalists hold that the appearance and reign of the Anti-Christ takes place during the seven year period after the Rapture. At the end of the seven years Christ returns with His saints, defeats and destroys the Anti-Christ and his armies in the battle of Armaggedon, and sets up an earthly kingdom in Jerusalem over which He rules in person for 1000 years. The reign of Christ on earth at that time according to Scofield, will be a sitting on the throne of David, as King of the Jews, literally, strictly and politically understood.

This Futuristic theory of the Anti-Christ propagated by Dr. Scofield is the Popish view. "Alarmed by the fact that the Reformers were pointing to the Pope as the Anti-Christ, the Jesuit Ribera at the end of the sixteenth century, invented or at least propagated futuristic views of the Anti-Christ, and pointed to a solitary Infidel Anti-Christ who would appear in the dim future. Ribera’s view soon infected the High Church party. J. N. Darby caught the contagion, and finally Dr. D. L. Scofield swallowed the Jesuit’s pill. Thus Ribera succeeded beyond his wildest dreams, for the attention of thousands of Protestants became deflected from the Papacy, a future Infidel Anti-Christ was looked for, and the historic Protestant view handed down by the Reformers was despised by many. These are the hard facts of history. A Protestantism saturated with Ribera’s Futurism is not the Protestantism of the Reformers, nor is it feared by the Papacy." (The Roman Anti-Christ by Rev. F. S. Leahy).

In the days of the Apostle John there were many antichrists, heretics who denied either the divinity of Christ or His actual incarnation. "Even now" he writes "are there many antichrists." He also says, "Little children, it is the last time: and ye have heard that Antichrist shall come." (1 John 2:18). According to Matthew Henry the generality of Christians had been informed of the coming of the Antichrist. Paul’s 2nd Epistle to the Thessalonians Ch. 2:8-10 made it clear to them. He is called the Antichrist as though there were none but he, because he was so eminently above all others. He is, therefore, called "the man of sin" and "the son of perdition" and the system of which he is the head "the mystery of iniquity."

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Dispensationalism and the Anti-Christ

Dispensationalists hold that the appearance and reign of the Anti-Christ takes place during the seven year period after the Rapture. At the end of the seven years Christ returns with His saints, defeats and destroys the Anti-Christ and his armies in the battle of Armaggedon, and sets up an earthly kingdom in Jerusalem over which He rules in person for 1000 years. The reign of Christ on earth at that time according to Scofield, will be a sitting on the throne of David, as King of the Jews, literally, strictly and politically understood.

This Futuristic theory of the Anti-Christ propagated by Dr. Scofield is the Popish view. "Alarmed by the fact that the Reformers were pointing to the Pope as the Anti-Christ, the Jesuit Ribera at the end of the sixteenth century, invented or at least propagated futuristic views of the Anti-Christ, and pointed to a solitary Infidel Anti-Christ who would appear in the dim future. Ribera’s view soon infected the High Church party. J. N. Darby caught the contagion, and finally Dr. D. L. Scofield swallowed the Jesuit’s pill. Thus Ribera succeeded beyond his wildest dreams, for the attention of thousands of Protestants became deflected from the Papacy, a future Infidel Anti-Christ was looked for, and the historic Protestant view handed down by the Reformers was despised by many. These are the hard facts of history. A Protestantism saturated with Ribera’s Futurism is not the Protestantism of the Reformers, nor is it feared by the Papacy." (The Roman Anti-Christ by Rev. F. S. Leahy).

In the days of the Apostle John there were many antichrists, heretics who denied either the divinity of Christ or His actual incarnation. "Even now" he writes "are there many antichrists." He also says, "Little children, it is the last time: and ye have heard that Antichrist shall come." (1 John 2:18). According to Matthew Henry the generality of Christians had been informed of the coming of the Antichrist. Paul’s 2nd Epistle to the Thessalonians Ch. 2:8-10 made it clear to them. He is called the Antichrist as though there were none but he, because he was so eminently above all others. He is, therefore, called "the man of sin" and "the son of perdition" and the system of which he is the head "the mystery of iniquity."

I agree that dispensationalism is one of the greatest hoaxes ever presented to the church...

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Amen Mellontes! Amen.

Now, if we could just figure out what "times and laws" that Jerusalem changed we'd be all set! Any ideas?!

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Amen Mellontes! Amen.

Now, if we could just figure out what "times and laws" that Jerusalem changed we'd be all set! Any ideas?!

Nope