David Wilkerson Prediction

[anochria]

Therefore, our understanding of these end-time events necessitates a different nature than the one normally given...

mellontes- can you give me your best full-preterist take on the passages paidion posted? or point me to another thread (or start another one if that's better)?

[Jill]

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[Mellontes]

Therefore, our understanding of these end-time events necessitates a different nature than the one normally given...

mellontes- can you give me your best full-preterist take on the passages paidion posted? or point me to another thread (or start another one if that's better)?

I guess this is way too late...I haven't been frequenting chat boards these days. Most aren't interested anyway.

The whole thing about "mello" and all the other hundreds of time statements concerning the 2nd coming, judgement and resurrection, is that nobody disagrees that the first century church expected those events, and I mean events, to happen in their generation. This includes several branches of theology, even dispensationalists. However, what has happened is a re-definition of the understanding of those very same time statements to fit their NATURE of the 2nd coming, resurrection and judgment. To me, soon means soon, quickly means quickly, shortly means shortly, at hand means at hand, etc. etc. etc. This is not rocket science. I am simply amazed at how "theologians" explain away these obvious time statements. The dispies are experts at this.

Matthew 16:27-28 - For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

2 Timothy 4:1 - I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Revelation 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

Revelation 22:6 And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.

Revelation 22:10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. [Unlike Daniel who was told to seal up his prophecy because the days were long]

I think it is about time to re-examine the NATURE of the end-time events WITH AN OPEN MIND and change our theology to match that of Scripture.

Mellontes

[Paidion]

So, I guess Mellontes can't explain the verses I quoted. At least he didn't do so.

But perhaps he believes Jesus already came in the glory of his Father with the angels and has repaid everyone according to his deeds --- in 70 A.D. (Mt 16:27)

And perhaps he believes that Christ has already judged the inhabited world in righteousness ---- in 70 A.D. (Ac 7:31)

Are there ANY Biblical prophecies yet to occur, Mellontes? Or did they ALL occur in 70 A.D.?

How about heaven and hell? Did everyone go there in 70 A.D.?

[Mellontes]

So, I guess Mellontes can't explain the verses I quoted. At least he didn't do so.

But perhaps he believes Jesus already came in the glory of his Father with the angels and has repaid everyone according to his deeds --- in 70 A.D. (Mt 16:27)

And perhaps he believes that Christ has already judged the inhabited world in righteousness ---- in 70 A.D. (Ac 7:31)

Are there ANY Biblical prophecies yet to occur, Mellontes? Or did they ALL occur in 70 A.D.?

How about heaven and hell? Did everyone go there in 70 A.D.?

The reason I don't come to chat boards is because few have an open mind to discuss the Scriptures. You seem to be one of them.

As long as you think physical, material, you will never understand these things. Just as the Jews wanted a physical kingdom, a physical throne, and physical deliverance they missed their Messiah. Even the disciples missed the "coming" of Elijah in John the Baptist. Your Catholic Dante's Inferno type of hell is not much use in these types of chats.

You too are looking for a physical Jesus. But He ain't coming. He already came in the same way He came in the Old Testament, and that was in the glory of His Father. There's your precedent. Honour it.

Like I said before and many other times on this forum. As long as you refuse to hold true to the CLEAR time statements of Scripture and WREST the nature of those events, and they surely are events, there is no point in pursuing things further with you or anyone who thinks along the physical plane. Come back and join in any time you wish to honour ALL of the time statements - not just a select few to fit your partial preterist paradigm... Even among partial preterists there is no consistent agreement as to which Scriptures fit the AD 70 Jerusalem burning event and which correspond to the "alleged" 2nd coming. I have asked and asked and asked that someone - anyone- list those verses as to which go for which and NO ONE has ever supplied them.

How you, or anyone else for that matter, can possibly believe that the 1st century Thessalonian church DID NOT receive rest from their persecutions at the PAROUSIA of the Lord is utterly beyond me and any hermeneutic audience relevance principle. Read the verses again...

2 Thessalonians 1:6-9 - Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

To who?
When?
Rest with us?
In flaming fire?

Seems simple to me, but a stumbling block to every partial preterist I know...

Chow folks...