The Coming Destruction of the Apostate Church

[FreeIndeed]

The Abomination of Desolation The destruction of the Christian church
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 2 Thes 2:3,4

"The twist on the truth that has come to dominate the prophetic expectations of so many millions will reap a bitter harvest. As vast numbers of Christians are deceived on this subject, their lives and actions are predicated on a false understanding of the immediate future - and the fruit of it will be dreadful. Very few understand the enormous spiritual ramifications of embracing significant error in our prophetic perspective. Indeed, it was the fact that Israel did not recognize the time of their visitation from God that brought the nation of Israel to "the overspreading of abominations" that were the natural outgrowth of their refusal to recognize Jesus as their promised Messiah."

We really can't afford to get tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine. I've been in the wilderness and have been hearing from the Lord big time. I've updated my website with a ton of new information. Some shocking but you study it and see for yourself.
Chris
http://www.thirdgreatawakening.org

[Mellontes]

The Abomination of Desolation The destruction of the Christian church
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 2 Thes 2:3,4

Would you consider 2 Thessalonians 1:7-9 as describing the same destruction of the apostate church as well?

[RV]

I've been in the wilderness and have been hearing from the Lord big time. I've updated my website with a ton of new information.

I'd like to know specifically what you've heard from the "Lord big time".

I've heard that SO many times and I hoping this time it's different.

[FreeIndeed]

Mat 24:15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

Sorry I took so long to respond to this post. What I mean by "I'm in the Wilderness" I fled to the mountains because I see the Abomination of Desolation. It didn't exactly happen in that order but last year I woke up to the Luke warm condition of the Church and after speaking out about it at my Seeker Friendly Church they kicked me out. It's really been the last few months that all this that happened to me came clear.

Getting kicked out of the Church was basically God doing for me what I wasn't goingto do myself. "I came out of her"
Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. Rev 19: 4

The Lord basically reached down and plucked me out of my life. After warning about deception and apostasy causing my world to turn upside down I found myself in scripture

Daniel 12:9
And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. 10Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

I'm dug in in "The Mountains". while the Lord is turning me into a walking End Times encyclopedia. It's all him I'm just staying out of his way. Really the unsealing of Daniels words is the clear understanding God is giving in understanding the Metaphoric language and the Spiritual Overlay of Scripture. I would encourage you to spend a couple weeks on my website http://www.thirdgreatawakening.org I document everything there. The real treasures are coming from this group. Randy Maugans ands Sue Paterson at the Threshing Floor and the Third Day http://threshingfloor-radio.com/

This is a New Page on my site that is mind blowing. http://www.thirdgreatawakening.org/TheBeast.htm
Chris

[RV]

Hi Chris,

I really wish you would just say what is going to happen. If God is truely showing you stuff, which I doubt because of all of those that have come before you.

Not sure if you're aware of it, but a lot of the church is moving away from dispensationalism.

I really don't mean to seem rude, but it really sounds like the same old false prophecy stuff that has been happening for a while now.

So if you can provide some kind of solid evidence that you're being shown stuff, I'd be the first one to listen. But honesly, it sounds like you're just promoting your own web-site. There are thousands out there just like yours.

[FreeIndeed]

I asure you it's not the same old stuff Brother. It's show time. The Apostate Prosperity, Seeker Friendly, Purpose Driven, Luke Warm, 501C3 Corporate Whore is about to be Judged. It's built on the platform of the Love of Money.

There are 2 distinct veins of false teachings in the Evangelical Establishment. Satan is playing these 2 groups against each other.

While God is preparing his Remnant, Spiritual Israel, The Spotless Bride, for his return, the indocrinated Christian Church is looking to the horizon for the "Anti-Christ".

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 2 Timothy 4:3,4

They fail to see that the system is fully developed and in place today. The Beast, who's mortal wound, was healed in 1948 with the rebirth of the State of Israel, is using Christian Zionism and the Hebrew Roots Movement to fulfill the written word.

Rev 13:3And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

This herecy has gripped the church with doctrine rooted in the footnotes of the Rothchild financed Scofield Bible. This error being promoted today actually has the "Christian Church" promoting the Beast System. The level of deception Satan has achieved is literally astounding. This is the 'Strong Delusion" the "Snare"

http://www.thirdgreatawakening.org/TheBeast.htm

2. The antithesis of the Christian Zionist, Hebrew Roots movement is The Purpose Driven heracy. This luke warm life has infiltrated the Church as well. Robert Schuller, Peter Drucker disciple Rick Warren, is preaching a counterfeit New Age Spirituality. This philosophy, claims Bible Prophecy is none of our business, and is behind the Seeker Friendly, Mega Church movement that has removed repentance and conversion from the Gospel message. This movement, is now evolving into the Emergent Church Movement and is a pillar of the coming One World Religion. There is also a move to embrace Islam, not as an outreach but to find common ground. Beware!

These "big" movements all have something in common, The One World Religion. Satan is seducing the masses in the name of Christianity. Just as in the days of Noah, people are completely oblivious to the deception. Why? "Because they received not the love of the truth". The Synthesis of these 2 apostate camps is actually underway, this will be a key to watch as Gods prophetic plan unfolds. Satan is playing Israel, the Little Horn, the control center of the New World Order, the 1st Beast,

Rev 13:3And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast

against the False Prophet, the Apostate Church.

Rev 13:11And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. 12And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. ,

It's the collusion between the first and second Beast of Rev 13 that is the thing to watch.

Chris

http://www.thirdgreatawakening.org

[RV]

[quote+"chris"]It's the collusion between the first and second Beast of Rev 13 that is the thing to watch. [/quote]


I would like you to be specific please.

[selah]

We really can't afford to get tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine...
Chris
http://www.thirdgreatawakening.org

My mom is coming to visit me soon. She is SDA and very adament about the end of the world coming "anytime" but she says of course, that we are in terrible trouble for the great tribulation is beforehand. She gets pretty emotional about it and I have been successful on the phone--long distance--in suggesting that we pray to follow Jesus throughout our lives, no matter what time in history we live in. However, she is coming to see me in person so I don't really know how this is going to go with her telling me, face to face, over and over, that "Jesus is coming soon; we must get ready." (She adds, "...really bad news...governments...one world government...torture...death...get ready...")

I don't know what she means in terms of "get ready." I've never heard a clear answer to that question. So somewhere along the years, I thought of a spiritual suitcase that is never fully packed. It feels like we're perpetually getting ready to go on a trip, but we're never ready. Never. Not good enough? Don't have our theology "right?" Once I'm scared enough, will I then be required to adhere to the "right" theology? yours? hers?

Like FreeIndeed, I have left a few churches. One scripture that guided me to leave was 2 Cor. 6:16-18. I think I have a measure of faith, and a portion of truth. I really want- to know more- and trust more- and to be wise- through whatever trials and tribulations are ahead.

But for some reason, my soul wants to read Steve Gregg's book, Revelation Four Views first. Could it be because of his calm, evenhanded manner that I am drawn to listen to (read) him? I don't agree with everything he says, but then too, his tone of voice does not cause me to feel pressured.

My foundation will always be one having been raised SDA--- with all the Daniel and Revelation horrific hype. I don't want to tell you how bad it was. I don't want to explain how and what the verbal explanations were as we were told how Christians would be tortured just before Jesus returns. Why did that need to be detailed? For what purpose? I'm not saying life isn't going to work out the way they taught, but why did they have to scare people? children?

Now that I am in my 50's, I've spent a decade as a New Christian building a NEW FOUNDATION. I'm decades away from that scary childhood, but I still wonder how I'm going to calm my mom. I have thought that the answer to that might be different for different days--or even in different moments. For example, a parable she and I could read is the one about the ten virgins. Then we could pray that we are ready like the five who had "enough" oil. Moreover, we could discover together (I really don't know....) all that it means to "be ready"-- to have your lamps full of oil. What does it mean? Do you know?

I'll take a stab at it. I think it means to love Jesus, follow Him, accept Him and let Him lead in your life. I think it means to pray always, give thanks, ask in faith that He will do His will, submit to His will, forgive those who harm you or others, protect the innocent, visit the widows, orphans and prisoners, put clothes on the naked, feed the hungry, suffer with the suffering and rejoice with the joyful, oh and sing songs and spiritual songs...Have I left something out?

FreeIndeed, is this important to you? Is this your point to telling the "shocking" information, to help people fill their spiritual oil lamps?

One more thing before I go, all my life I have prayed as if to say "Jesus, don't come" but I know now that it was because I was convinced I wouldn't go to heaven or live in the new earth (whatever your beliefs). Bottom line, I was convinced that I wasn't good enough-----------and I didn't want to die. But lately, I've been thinking that for the souls around this planet who are suffering in explicable ways "worse" than most Americans, UKs, Canadians, Auzies, etc. (so I guess I'm talking about "the third world," middle east, and war-torn regions) for all the suffering souls, maybe I should set aside my own taste for western comforts and pray "Lord Jesus, come quickly."

That is a scary prayer for me to pray. Seriously. But I've prayed it anyway, and now I'm sharing it with a whole lot of people. So now you might pray too, (you probably already have) and then, He might actually come, but beforehand, we might (will) have tribulations. Some of us might die. "Be of good cheer; I have overcome the world," Jesus said.

What if, instead of Mom or me (you?) getting freaked out about the "coming destruction..." on this earth, we set our hearts to praying for the coming of our Savior.

Again this is a scary thought to me, but truly I'd rather be scared praying for Jesus to come (and get over my fear) than to refuse to admit fear and refuse to pray the Father's heart. Do you think our Father wants Jesus to come soon? Do you think our Lord is sitting on the edge of His throne, watching intently, to see if we want Him to come?

[RV]

It's the collusion between the first and second Beast of Rev 13 that is the thing to watch.

Hi Chris, I'm really hoping you can be specific about this. Meaning, how this is going to play out before our eyes and what exactly WE (you and I and the rest of the world) are about to see.

The only reason I ask is because I've seen this so many times in the past. A prophecy teacher will throw out a couple of verses and say that's what we need to look for.

And it seems as though they're being purposely vague; that way if it doesn't come to pass, they can just keep saying the same things over and over.

I also hope you're really sincerely willing to work through this with me. I've also experienced people blaming it on me, as though I'm apostate because I'm unwilling to just accept what has been suggested.

[FreeIndeed]

FreeIndeed, is this important to you? Is this your point to telling the "shocking" information, to help people fill their spiritual oil lamps?

I want to bear my soul here a little. I confess I've jumped in and out of The Narrow Path forum over the last couple months just dropping bombs and leaving. I have had such a year of turmoil from speaking out about what the Lord has shown me. I love and deeply respect the people here on the forum. I spent many hours here over the years growing. I depended on Steves teaching as spiritual food as I was sitting in a Seeker freindly Church dying on the vine. I owe much to Steve and his MP3 teachings and hang solidly on his teaching about Israel. I feel what the Lord has now shown me is adding to Steves teaching.

First to address the "shocking" thing. I am continually accused of preaching fear. This would be construed as a "fear Monger" Well that sure isn't what I want to do. I am working dillegently on my end in comunication Biblical Truth. and using pure scripture to communicate anything confrontational. This comes against quite a bit of oposition today because the Churches as a whole are filling the congregations heads with warm fuzzy feel good words. 2 Tim 3:5 a form of Godlyness with no power. So when the truth falls on luke warm ears it is scary. But the fear isn't coming from me it's coming from the luke warm condition of the hearers heart.
This truth is setting me free. (Freeindeed) I love it. I lost my life for Jesus' sake once and for all last year and now I hear him. This is what I know. There are 4 groups of people in scripture depicted at this time on the Prophetic Clock. The Remnant, the multitude in the Valley of Desicion, the Serpents and the Scorpions. These 4 groups are in the Church. The Scripture is written to the Church. Of utmost importance we need to find ourselves in Scripture. I know with out a doubt I'm Remnant. Right now is the time right before the first trumpet sounds when the Remnant are being sealed.
Dan 11: 33And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.
Dan 12: 9And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
10Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. Rev 19: 3 & 4

This is me i know for sure. The Remnant are aware of the Apostasy, and are the ones coming out of the Corporate Church system.

Scripute says when we see these things come to pass Stand in the Holy Place. The Holy place is safe. we don't have to fear. god will protect us. I will pick this up some more. I have to go now I'll be back in a couple hours. Those SDA's have a lot of the end times scenario down but they go eway off on some key issues. I'll stick with you on it sister. Don't worry. don't forget perfect love casts out fear.
Chris