You have a sense of humor very similar to mine. Uh, oh. That could be troubleTK wrote:Mellontes wrote:
Sorry- i read too fast. You are calling "regeneration" resurrection, which I suppose is okay if you want to do so. Yes, I believe that in a sense regeneration is a movement from death to life.I didn't understand why you said "Of course I believe in life after death." It almost sounds like you thought I was mentioning that sort of thing in my last post. I wasn't.
I believe the New Jerusalem is the Church, although a 1500 mile cube would be kind of neat. However, being fairly new to the non-literal cube idea, I am not 100% clear about all the symbolism and everything. I always wondered where they got oysters to make a pearl the size of a gate. They must have used whips.
I apologize for jumping around all over the place- as I know I am supposed to stay on topic. I know many of these things have been discussed elsewhere on the forum- 1 Cor 15 for example. I will have to try to find it- I dont expect you to re-write everything again. But i was wondering if FP's believe that certain early Christians (pre 70 AD?) DO have a physical resurrection body.
TK
I am curious. You said that you were fairly new to the non-literal cube idea. How did you feel after realizing that what you had been taught regarding that subject was in error? We have entire seminaries that are still devoted to that understanding...
Hmmm...pre 70 AD Christians having a physical resurrection body...sure. Of course they did. However your definition of that resurrected body is wayyyyyyyyy different than mine. It would be the same body that they had before realizing the truth of John 5:24 and then availing themselves of that truth afterwards. For a Jew, it would have meant going from "Israel after the flesh" to "Israel after the Spirit" (1 Corinthians 10:18, Romans 9:6-8, Galatians 4:29). The resurrection/restoration/regeneration of LIVING Israel occurred from Calvary to just before the parousia event in 70 AD. A bunch of 3,000 started off in the new covenant. At the parousia, the resurrection of all saints (OT and otherwise) from sheol/hell/hades was undertaken. This, of course, took place from within a realm that can not be seen. Immediately they would be taken up into heaven at this time.
A great study is children and flesh and associated terms... Of course, not all usages of "flesh" refer to Israel. But understanding the difference when approaching 1 Corinthians is vitally important. Almost as important as the present passive verbs that I mentioned a long time ago in some lost post on this forum. Let me see if I can fetch a link by searching on "present passives." Hang on a sec... Ahhh.... here it is. It is near the end of a very long-winded post I made back in December of last year. http://www.theos.org/forum/viewtopic.ph ... ive#p40724
And here is a link which connects the new Jerusalem with death being swallowed up in victory from 1 Corinthains. See http://www.theos.org/forum/viewtopic.ph ... ves#p40990
Take care...