Reconsidering the: "resurrection of the just and unjust"

[Paidion]

are you a futurist? that would surprise me.

Futurist with regard to what? The second coming of Christ? You bet I am!

[Apollos]

You may wish to reconsider the likelihood of a late date for the writing of Revelation. As I see it, an early date has not been determined by the evidence, but by a determination by preterists to assingn a date prior to A.D. 70. Otherwise, their claim that John's predictions referred to the destruction of the temple in 70 A.D. could not be maintained.

You may wish to check out the following:

Late Date

The issue of dating is not as tied to theology as you would suggest. There have been many non-preterists (Isaac Newton and Francis Nigel Lee spring to mind, but this has also been the view of many scholars who are not preterist) who have held to an early date based upon the evidence. I am not a preterist, yet I can say that I have been convinced by the evidence of an early dating of Revelation.

The article is misinformed and over-simplistic, and the author frankly has not interacted at all with the scholarly arguments for an early dating of Revelation.

[Mellontes]

The issue of dating is not as tied to theology as you would suggest. There have been many non-preterists (Isaac Newton and Francis Nigel Lee spring to mind, but this has also been the view of many scholars who are not preterist) who have held to an early date based upon the evidence. I am not a preterist, yet I can say that I have been convinced by the evidence of an early dating of Revelation.

Apollos, I am glad you mentioned this point about non-preterists believing in an early date. We agree with them. In fact, Kenneth Gentry, in his book Before Jerusalem Fell, lists SEVERAL scholars who believe in an early date - the vast, vast majority NOT being full preterist (preterist).

The list begins on the bottom of page 30 and continues until page 38. It can be viewed for free here: http://www.entrewave.com/freebooks/docs/a_pdfs/kgbj.pdf

You will be able to see the entries for Francis Nigel Lee's Revelation and Jerusalem (Brisbane, Australia, 1985) and Sir Isaac Newton's, Observation Upon the Prophecies of Daniel, and the Apocalypse of St. John (London: 1732).

[Paidion]

It is interesting that a preterist archive site has posted a good argument for a late date. There is only one preterist response, but it doesn't prove anything.


Late Date Advocates

The site has also posted Johnson's argument for a late date:

Johnson's

Again a single preterist response who doesn't say much more than the fact that he thinks Johnson doesn't know what he's talking about.

[RickC]

I've been busy . . . .

Will repost the thread soon (as a new one, (to keep on-topic), with a reply to Ben).

Ben, thanks for your reply! Suzana too!

[Apollos]

Apollos, I am glad you mentioned this point about non-preterists believing in an early date. We agree with them. In fact, Kenneth Gentry, in his book Before Jerusalem Fell, lists SEVERAL scholars who believe in an early date - the vast, vast majority NOT being full preterist (preterist).

The list begins on the bottom of page 30 and continues until page 38. It can be viewed for free here: http://www.entrewave.com/freebooks/docs/a_pdfs/kgbj.pdf

You will be able to see the entries for Francis Nigel Lee's Revelation and Jerusalem (Brisbane, Australia, 1985) and Sir Isaac Newton's, Observation Upon the Prophecies of Daniel, and the Apocalypse of St. John (London: 1732).

Thanks Mellontes. I read his section on dating a few years back, but I think I'll try to read it again. There is some excellent information there.

[Apollos]

It is interesting that a preterist archive site has posted a good argument for a late date. There is only one preterist response, but it doesn't prove anything.


Late Date Advocates

The site has also posted Johnson's argument for a late date:

Johnson's

Again a single preterist response who doesn't say much more than the fact that he thinks Johnson doesn't know what he's talking about.

I think you're looking in the wrong places if you expect the early date case to be systematically set out in a comments section underneath two articles.