Is our life-span fixed?

[dwilkins]

I don't know how you can say that the story of Hezekiah supports the idea of a fixed life span. At one point, God tells Hezekiah that he needs to get his affairs straight because he's about to die. A few minutes later, God tells him that he is going to be given years longer. Which is it?

Doug

[robbyyoung]

I explained my reasons in the post.


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[steve7150]

Unless one subscribes to the theory of YAHWEH truly NOT knowing all things, this puts mankind back in control of his life span and the life span of others. Which is a more dreadful an awful thought. YAHWEH being reactive instead of proactive in HIS creation. However, knowing all things puts YAHWEH in a position that doesn't frustrate HIS purposes for HIS creation. By knowing He can appoint.







I don't think man is in control whether God knows or not because God can intervene anytime in any direction and do as he sees fit. However if God appoints men to die , does he appoint how they die, like by cancer or some other unpleasant way?

[robbyyoung]

I don't know steve7150, this thread is about the timing of when we die, not how .


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[Paidion]

Unless one subscribes to the theory of YAHWEH truly NOT knowing all things, this puts mankind back in control of his life span and the life span of others. Which is a more dreadful an awful thought. YAHWEH being reactive instead of proactive in HIS creation.

Yahweh truly knows all things—but some things are unknowable, such as the future choices of free-will agents. That Yahweh does not know these choices in advance is Biblical. Here is just one example:

The LORD said to me in the days of King Josiah: “Have you seen what she did, that faithless one, Israel, how she went up on every high hill and under every green tree, and there played the whore? And I thought, ‘After she has done all this she will return to me,’ but she did not return, and her treacherous sister Judah saw it. (Jer 3:6,7 ESV)

If Yahweh had KNOWN that Israel would not return to Him, why did He THINK that she would?
Now I realize that some translations have "And I SAID" rather than "And I thought." Okay, let's suppose that those translations are correct.
If God SAID Israel would return to Him, and she didn't, then either He did not know that she would not return, or else He lied in saying that she would return.

I also realize that some translations have Yahweh COMMANDING Israel, "Return to me." But again in the Septugint, the verb is not an imperative. Nor is it, for that matter, in the Hebrew.

The following translations have "I thought (or said), 'After she has done all this she will (or would) return to me.' ": ASV, BBE, Darby, ESV, GWV, HCSB, NASB, RSV, WEB. There are probably others.

[robbyyoung]

Excellent Paidion! This is where "The Son", as The Creator, shows His limitations, on par with Matt 24:36. The question is, "Does The Father know all things?"

I may have opened up all kinds of crazy with this reply .


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[steve7150]

I don't know steve7150, this thread is about the timing of when we die, not how .









Threads often evolve as more issues come up. If God ordains when we die then he may ordain how we die. Some deaths are peaceful but many are very unpleasant and that includes deaths for believers.

[robbyyoung]

I understand, but dealing with one subject is time consuming enough in order to progress.


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[dizerner]

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[steve7150]

It seems incredible that God would appoint a particular time to die for each individual, especially in view of the fact that thousands of babies die before they have lived even one day upon the earth. Why would God appoint the death of a baby to occur just a few hours after its birth?








Exactly right. For a bible principal to be true you have to take it to it's conclusion and see if it's still makes sense. Not only would God be the cause of babies dying but also God would be the cause of abortions. Because if God goes beyond knowing but actually ordains death that means he causes it.