Bathroom Wrath

[Soulsnaxx]

Until recently, when men used the women's restroom in a Target store, it was against company policy and American cultural standards. But now Target says it's okay. Furthermore, the federal government is pushing to erase all gender distinctions from all public bathrooms -- including public schools. Are we talking sophistication or stupidity?

What's wrong with all public restrooms being freely accessible to everybody, regardless of the sex they are, or claim they are? What's the big deal? Can't we all just get along?

Anyone can see that American culture is changing (and is being changed). But is it for the better or the worse? Will God punish America for what many see as another step down into deviancy?

"Bathroom Wrath" is a video version of a recent call to The Narrow Path radio program, hosted by Steve Gregg, in which the caller raised the timely issue of Open Restrooms.

Click link to watch/listen.

https://youtu.be/tlN_Om6tLK8

[morbo3000]

Until recently, when men used the women's restroom in a Target store, it was against company policy and American cultural standards. But now Target says it's okay. Furthermore, the federal government is pushing to erase all gender distinctions from all public bathrooms -- including public schools.

The caller tried to characterize this issue the same way. Target does not allow any gender in their bathrooms. The new transgender policies are not the same as removing all gender distinctions in bathrooms.

Are we talking sophistication or stupidity?

First of all, even though I don't completely agree with Steve or my conservative friends, calling them stupid doesn't really win friends and influence people. I had to turn down the brightness to listen to Steve's audio, so I could let his words be his, and not bombarded by graphics. I almost didn't listen to it, simply because the first graphic was labeling my opinion on this matter stupid. Then I decided I should give Steve the benefit of the doubt. Glad I did.

Steve is correct to say that transgender folk are not a threat. The threat is deviant heterosexual men. But deviant heterosexual men are not simply a threat to little girls. They are just as much a threat to little boys in men's bathrooms as they are to girls in women's bathrooms, maybe (probably) worse. Every women's bathroom is fitted with stalls. The urinals in most men's bathroom don't have stalls. So any man can turn and look at the penis of my sons.

Deviant heterosexual men are not the only threat driving this discussion. Violence against LGBT people by some heterosexual men is a huge problem that the Christian community never seems to address.

The issue isn't nearly as simplistic as your post makes it. The solution is to value the safety of everyone involved. Which includes both children and trans people. But for conservative Christians, that requires acknowledgement of the perils marginalized people, who you don't understand, go through.

[crgfstr1]

My understanding is that ancient toilets were unisex and open air. Having separate bathrooms for men and women is somewhat new. I believe it likely that there is a hidden agenda going on here though. I think the end result is that this will allow video surveillance in bathrooms. This will address everyone's concern for safety and there are both men and women present so who can object at that point.

[Homer]

I can only imagine what some of the boys I knew in high school would be doing:

Claim female identity and access to girl's locker room.

Make sexual advances toward girls in locker room.

When confronted claim female identity but also state they are lesbian.

As far as toilets go, our country is in it and just about to be flushed. But perhaps there is hope. It appears that liberals are beginning to oppose porn:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/in- ... rnography/

[Soulsnaxx]

Morbo,

Too bad you didn't love Bathroom Wrath. So far you're the only one. Perhaps you just didn't “get it.” I'm pleased, however, that you did like the audio. It was by far the more important part, for sure. The graphics, in my unbiased opinion, were a good representation of the audio message. I recommend that in the future you listen to all of Steve Gregg's Narrow Path radio broadcasts and just skip the Soulsnaxx. That way you won't have to suffer through any more barrages of graphics, and you won't miss much, either.

You're wrong in saying,

The new transgender policies are not the same as removing all gender distinctions in bathrooms.

The rapidly evolving policies, and certainly the future ones (if those promoting deviancy have their way) are based on the subjective feelings of individuals. Therefore, if a straight male, in order to sneak a peek, can enter a women's restroom by claiming he feels he's a female, then in effect gender differences are removed. It will no longer be based on what's in your pants, but what's in your head, as Steve rightly points out. This is where this thing is going, and the liberal Federal administration is trying to make it happen even in all public schools.

Your criticism of Steve's using “stupid” came across to me as picky and a bit self righteous. By the way, I was sure you were wrong in implying that Steve called people stupid, but I listened again anyway just to make sure. And I was right; he didn't. He did call some ideas, policies and laws stupid, (which they certainly are) in that they lack common sense, which is what stupid means.

I think Steve's use of the word “stupid” was perfectly accurate and appropriate. I showed the video to a Bible study group I attend, and they all loved it. As soon as it ended, a gentleman exclaimed, “He's right! It's all so stupid!” He wasn't referring to my video, mind you. He meant, of course, our nation's quickening slide into degeneracy. Any right-thinking Christian says the same thing; it's stupid.

One more comment, Morbo. You seem given to exaggeration. Perhaps hyperbole. You said,

Violence against LGBT people by some heterosexual men is a huge problem that the Christian community never seems to address.

Huge? Really? Your definition of huge seems somewhat out of proportion. WWII, now that was huge. The National debt, that is huge! 54 million murdered unborn babies since 1973, that's huge! The disrespect for America's women and children that these new restroom policies are beginning to impose, that's huge! It seems you are pooh-poohing this stupid bathroom problem, Morbo.

Never? Really? You did, and you're not the first.

[Soulsnaxx]

I can only imagine what some of the boys I knew in high school would be doing:

Claim female identity and access to girl's locker room.

Make sexual advances toward girls in locker room.

When confronted claim female identity but also state they are lesbian.

As far as toilets go, our country is in it and just about to be flushed. But perhaps there is hope...

Good common-sense post, Homer.

[morbo3000]

Soulsnaxx, I didn't key into "stupid" from Steve's radio program. It's from the first frame of your video.

I've listened to Steve's lectures and radio show for more than 2 decades.

Of course your Bible study loved it. You are cheer leading, and they are on your team.

My point stands that the current policies are not the equivalent to allowing the indiscriminate use of gender distinct bathrooms by any gender. Your point is that the trend line leads in that direction. You are of course allowed your opinion. But that is not the policy.

Voyeurism is a crime. It is just as much a crime for a man in a male bathroom as it is for a female in a female bathroom, or a transgender person in a female bathroom. Perpetrators are far more capable in a men's room because there frequently aren't stalls for urinals. So sneaking a peek is as simple as looking to the left. In a women's restroom, a voyeur has to look over the top of a stall, which is obviously criminal regardless of the gender.

The bottom line. In all states that have made this change there has been no up tick in sexual crimes in bathrooms, nor reports of abuse. I understand the fear. But it has not been validated by actual events. Voyeurism is a crime, and should be prosecuted. This policy does nothing to change that. If you can find me a case where voyerism was given a pass because of the transgender laws, your fears can be justified. But you will find no such case.


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[steve7150]

Wouldn't a solution be to have individual bathrooms where the door can be locked?
They can be simply called "bathrooms" and anyone can use them.

Maybe i'm a bit cynical but it seems like all these enlightened edicts always attack traditional values and it's always the federal government or federal judges telling us what our values should be.

[MMathis]

I don't see a problem with a bunch of biker dudes using the same bathroom your 8 year-old niece is using.

[crgfstr1]

Wouldn't a solution be to have individual bathrooms where the door can be locked?
They can be simply called "bathrooms" and anyone can use them.

Maybe i'm a bit cynical but it seems like all these enlightened edicts always attack traditional values and it's always the federal government or federal judges telling us what our values should be.

While this would solve the problem who is going to pay for all of the bathrooms in the US to be converted to meet this? For crowded venues bathroom lines can already be long. This would make them much worse unless much more space was provided for bathrooms.