unpardonable sin

Post by **_Paidion** » Sat May 06, 2006 10:40 am

When you see verses like "and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove", it makes it seem real contrived to say that Jesus descended upon himself.

John 14:10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority; but the Father who dwells in me does his works.

Let's see. The Father dwells in heaven. Yet the Father dwelt in Jesus. How did He do that? Wasn't that personal dwelling of the Father within Jesus the Spirit of God, the Spirit of the Father?

Likewise, was not the Holy Spirit that descended upon Jesus, none other than the Spirit of the Father?

It seems that when Jesus lived here on earth, His Spirit was confined to His body. After He was raised, He could extend it anywhere in the universe.

I still see the Deity as comprising of exactly two Divine Individuals.

Post by **_STEVE7150** » Sat May 06, 2006 11:44 am

Likewise, was not the Holy Spirit that descended upon Jesus, none other than the Spirit of the Father?

I understand that the Holy Spirit is the most difficult to understand as a person. I think the same greek word "suma" ( i think) is used for Holy Spirit, Spirit of Christ , Spirit of Paul, various other uses of spirit.
But then why is blaspheming the Holy Spirit differentiated from blaspheming against God or Christ, Paidion?

Post by **_glow** » Sat May 06, 2006 6:21 pm

men Thank you So much for all your insights and information. I don't know if I have it all sorted out yet, but I definately see an expanded version of what I understood before. Some insight I agree with some I don't at this point but I am thankful for it all.

Glow

Post by **_Paidion** » Sat May 06, 2006 10:54 pm

But then why is blaspheming the Holy Spirit differentiated from blaspheming against God or Christ, Paidion?

I think you explained that yourself, in a previous post, Steve.

The Pharisees attributed the work of the Holy Spirit to that of demons.
As long as they believed that, the Holy Spirit could never convict them or touch them in any way. Thus they would never overcome sin and work righteousness by the Spirit, for they would think the power of the Spirit was that of demons. So they would not be on the road to righteousness, and in that state could not be forgiven.

Post by **_djeaton** » Sun May 07, 2006 1:02 am

Paidion wrote:John 14:10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority; but the Father who dwells in me does his works.

Let's see. The Father dwells in heaven. Yet the Father dwelt in Jesus. How did He do that? Wasn't that personal dwelling of the Father within Jesus the Spirit of God, the Spirit of the Father?

So we have God in heaven and God is not only Spirit, but has a Spirit. We have Jesus on earth who has the Father in Him and He is in the Father. So when you have the voice come from heaven that "this is my son in whom I am well pleased, it was the Father,as a spirit, with the Son in him, sending His spirit down to His son that had the Father in Him already. Does that pretty much cover it?

When God, who is spirit, sends His spirit to go the the Son, is God still God, or did the diety attach to the Spirit in the form of a dove? If both were Diety, and Jesus was Diety, doesn't it give you three? If the spirit is not diety, how is it a sin to blaspheme against it? If the diety left God to fly down, what does that say about the nature of God if sometimes He is not diety?
D.

Post by **_Randall** » Sun May 07, 2006 11:07 pm

The questions was, what does it mean to blaspheme The Holy Spirit. It seems simple to me and I scratch my head with all the imput that goes off on a tangent without answering the question.

We can all find out what Steve Gregg says on the subject by downloading the tape in the verse by verse section on the teachings of Jesus. And I'm sure he gives alternate meanings from other commentators. It's been awhile since I've been there.

But why do we not know, just by being familiar with the New Testament, that the unpardonable sin could only be rejecting Jesus as our Lord and Savior?

Am I just being too simple?

Post by **_Paidion** » Tue May 09, 2006 1:30 pm

Once again, there is no mention anywhere is scripture of an "unpardonable sin".

What is mentioned is sin against the Holy Spirit which will not be forgiven either in the present age or in the age to come. And that sin is clearly (from the context) the sin of attributing the the work of the Holy Spirit to the devil, or to demons.